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Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:00 am
by AsenRG
What prompts this is the table for random person on the street. Indies and Wells have a chance to be unborn or not-citizens, and hence unable to get into a gated community.
How could an unborn or foreigner ever get a legal job or get on welfare programs? I had assumed that's the largest factor that's keeping street people on the street?
I can imagine a few indies have been hired overseas, or something similar. But what about Wells, can a former unborn/foreigner get on welfare after, say, losing a legal job?

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:12 am
by Hex
I think the easiest way, to handle this, is getting a black market new identity. Though it would be fun having to avoid the powers that be incorporated into your campaign and using a disadvantage spot when creating the character.

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:19 pm
by AsenRG
Well, an Unborn might well lack the money to do that. I mean, papers aren't hard, but paying the Crackers to get you into the system would be damn expensive :D!
Of course, that's just more story for the story mill. But that's for PCs, which are individuals. I'm interested in how the NPCs deal manage it in large numbers :mrgreen: !
And that's the purpose of this thread.

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:43 pm
by kingbv
Well, Indie and Street person are, more or less, measures of income (for example, not every "well" is on welfare, some work for a living), while Unborn and Illegal Immigrant are legal statuses. Because they cannot get welfare or legal jobs, most Unborn and Illegals end up being street people. The main ways I can think of for an Unborn or Illegal to gain a Well or Indie status are:
-By gaining a fraudulent identity in order to get on welfare or get a legal job, mostly this is accomplished, (as you say) by paying off Crackers, or by bribing a corrupt government employee.
-By having a lot of cash. For instance, someone might be an illegal alien here, but might be the child of a recently deposed dictator who fled the country with suitcases full of gold and cash, and so be able to live as an Indie. Some big criminal score may allow a street person to live as a Well for several months until the money runs out.
-By getting a well paying below-the-table job. For instance, a really talented chef, even though Unborn or Illegal, could probably get an off-the-books job at some city restaurant catering to Indies and get paid the salary to live like a Well.
-By being a very successful criminal. For instance, many of the most successful Thieves and Crackers have income levels comparable to that of Wells.
-By working at some boring online job (e.g. Answering emails for some helpdesk located outside of the US) where, because of the international jurisdiction, proof of citizenship doesn't matter (although it can still be hard to get a bank account if you are an unborn).
-By being in a family with someone of one of the other socioeconomic classes. For instance, you might be an Unborn who is married to an Indie and thus shares the Indie lifestyle.

In addition to that, keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are one of the three socioeconomic classes, and have that level of income but belong to a group mostly populated by people of another class, e.g. A person on welfare who is nonetheless a professional Thief, or a Well who managed to save up enough money to get a slipboard and become a Boarder, or a trust fund kid who manager to marry in to the Water Rats.

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:19 am
by AsenRG
kingbv wrote:Well, Indie and Street person are, more or less, measures of income (for example, not every "well" is on welfare, some work for a living), while Unborn and Illegal Immigrant are legal statuses. Because they cannot get welfare or legal jobs, most Unborn and Illegals end up being street people. The main ways I can think of for an Unborn or Illegal to gain a Well or Indie status are:
-By gaining a fraudulent identity in order to get on welfare or get a legal job, mostly this is accomplished, (as you say) by paying off Crackers, or by bribing a corrupt government employee.
-By having a lot of cash. For instance, someone might be an illegal alien here, but might be the child of a recently deposed dictator who fled the country with suitcases full of gold and cash, and so be able to live as an Indie. Some big criminal score may allow a street person to live as a Well for several months until the money runs out.
-By getting a well paying below-the-table job. For instance, a really talented chef, even though Unborn or Illegal, could probably get an off-the-books job at some city restaurant catering to Indies and get paid the salary to live like a Well.
-By being a very successful criminal. For instance, many of the most successful Thieves and Crackers have income levels comparable to that of Wells.
-By working at some boring online job (e.g. Answering emails for some helpdesk located outside of the US) where, because of the international jurisdiction, proof of citizenship doesn't matter (although it can still be hard to get a bank account if you are an unborn).
-By being in a family with someone of one of the other socioeconomic classes. For instance, you might be an Unborn who is married to an Indie and thus shares the Indie lifestyle.

In addition to that, keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are one of the three socioeconomic classes, and have that level of income but belong to a group mostly populated by people of another class, e.g. A person on welfare who is nonetheless a professional Thief, or a Well who managed to save up enough money to get a slipboard and become a Boarder, or a trust fund kid who manager to marry in to the Water Rats.

A sincere thank you, I had missed some of those possibilities!
That would, of course, only improve my eventual future game of FTWD. And it proves that it pays to pay attention to tables, too :twisted: !

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:47 am
by Un Phil
kingbv wrote:Well, Indie and Street person are, more or less, measures of income (for example, not every "well" is on welfare, some work for a living), while Unborn and Illegal Immigrant are legal statuses. Because they cannot get welfare or legal jobs, most Unborn and Illegals end up being street people. The main ways I can think of for an Unborn or Illegal to gain a Well or Indie status are:
-By gaining a fraudulent identity in order to get on welfare or get a legal job, mostly this is accomplished, (as you say) by paying off Crackers, or by bribing a corrupt government employee.
-By having a lot of cash. For instance, someone might be an illegal alien here, but might be the child of a recently deposed dictator who fled the country with suitcases full of gold and cash, and so be able to live as an Indie. Some big criminal score may allow a street person to live as a Well for several months until the money runs out.
-By getting a well paying below-the-table job. For instance, a really talented chef, even though Unborn or Illegal, could probably get an off-the-books job at some city restaurant catering to Indies and get paid the salary to live like a Well.
-By being a very successful criminal. For instance, many of the most successful Thieves and Crackers have income levels comparable to that of Wells.
-By working at some boring online job (e.g. Answering emails for some helpdesk located outside of the US) where, because of the international jurisdiction, proof of citizenship doesn't matter (although it can still be hard to get a bank account if you are an unborn).
-By being in a family with someone of one of the other socioeconomic classes. For instance, you might be an Unborn who is married to an Indie and thus shares the Indie lifestyle.

In addition to that, keep in mind that there are a lot of people who are one of the three socioeconomic classes, and have that level of income but belong to a group mostly populated by people of another class, e.g. A person on welfare who is nonetheless a professional Thief, or a Well who managed to save up enough money to get a slipboard and become a Boarder, or a trust fund kid who manager to marry in to the Water Rats.


Part Time Job: Below Board is an advantage available to the Unborn. At the cost of 4 BP, you get $35 more to weekly income.

Re: Restrictions on non-US Citizens in 2080

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:55 pm
by AsenRG
It seems the Drakes and others just might become US citizens after all :mrgreen: !